BTW, congratulations on what sounds like a great bottle! I’ve seen it time and time again for vintage fragrances from all sorts of brands; there will be times when there are more than a 100 entries, then times when there are like 10. ), These vintage fragrances, the really old ones, are in very finite supply. And they rarely had much information about the bottle beyond, perhaps, its measurement in inches. Just a small question, though, aren’t the Amphora extraits the Rosebud bottles, not the Parapluie/Umbrella ones? The fan-shaped bottle. From my research, it appears that the Marly Horse logo was stamped on the inside lid of all Guerlain parfum presentation boxes issued during a certain time frame and for all the parfums concentrations across all bottle designs, not just for Shalimar or its urn/bat bottle. (Obviously, the sticker does too.) Sounds wonderful, Reddtx. One might not know if a bottle with a glass stopper is an Avion one or not. Shalimar Wimble and John Terry had an encounter in Mar 2005.. About. I passed on a second vintage bottle that was listed with the regular, modern ones because it was too small and it was a similar sort of situation except, this time, the seller said in the description that she’d gotten the bottle from her mother in the 1980s. “Catalog” number — that’s the word. Be that as it may, there is no resource like it if you want to know the design, history, size, weight, centimeter or inch height, manufacturer, and general, overall dates of production for a bottle. Each distinct bottle possesses its own personality. Source: Pinterest. Posted on October 18, 2016. by Kafkaesque. That is unquestionably an Avion bottle. This was great and very helpful. Sorry, Kafka, that teardrop bottle I have my eye on is EDT not cologne. But it’s going to come down to YOUR personal way and the factors that YOU value the most (as well as your budget, of course). When I received the package, the scent of bergamot, roses, and vanilla wafted with such force and reach through the sealed layers that my heart sank with the thought that the bottle must have leaked inside during transit. I recently won this auction: I’ve used that visual differentiation to help me separate late 1970s/turn of the cusp 1980s bottles from those with that fat, stocky, chunky stems in just in the first few years of the 1980s. GUERLAIN Shalimar Souffle de Parfum: rated 3 out of 5 on MakeupAlley. These bottles were made by both Baccarat & Pochet et du Courval, look for their logos on the base, an entwined HP or the Baccarat symbol. (1/2 fl.oz) huile pour le bain limited range in the clear glass 'lyre' bottle with the gold cap, my bottle had originally contained roughly 50 mls. I cannot even begin to tell you how incredible it smells, how jaw-droppingly complex and opulent, how animalically furry in its opening hours but complex throughout, and how dizzingly powerful it is. Re: Vintage Shalimar Dating Question Personally, I'd let it go because you like how it smells - the 80s is still vintage (pre-IFRA) and might smell much better than an older bottle. In contrast, when I plug in the same search today, the combined total is a mere 37, and a number of those listings are for completely empty bottles or for the Parfum de Toilette. & England Captain. Photo: my own. So, be patient, it’s feast or famine on eBay, and you may need to wait a few weeks or months to find a bottle that fits your budget. Good Morning Kafkaesque Look for the darkest juice possible (and in the biggest bottle/size that I could afford); If there was no Marly horse box, look for any purple box even without the logo; If there was no purple box of any kind, and if the bottle was shown simply and solely with its outer box, then: make sure that outer box was a “Zebra” or zig-zag white/black box, nothing else; look for an alphanumeric batch code on the bottle base or the box, then check the Raiders of the Lost Scent’s 2013 Guide to see what year it corresponds to. *grin*. Vintage Shalimar can become quite an obsession, at least it did for me in terms of hunting out older bouquets. Her 2012 post on Shalimar emphasized the parfum and had a lot of photos of how to tell apart the ones bearing the simple “Shalimar” label. For example, acid-etching versus cut words on the bottom of bottle; the thinness or chunkiness of the fluted stem; and more. $10.30 shipping. Note to Kafka, perhaps we could have a place on your blog to post recent purchases and then crowdsource the age estimates through the comment section. Once again, you can see the fat, stubby, squat stem and “fat feet,” but look also at the bottom of its glass base in the photo to the right: Vintage Shalimar extrait, 1 oz bottle by Saint Gobain, circa 1981-1986. [Photo lightly cropped on the edges by me.]. Immensely useful article, it deserves only one word: BRAVO ! Wow, it’s not there. It got that nickname because of the rosebud look of its glass stopper. Finally, the few bottles that I have seen from the two companies (again, in shapes other than the “bat” or the “urn”) look like they have very different glass than bottles manufactured by Baccarat. However, the acid etching on the base is readable from above (if that makes sense). When I get them I’ll take pictures. Still, what put me off a little when first seeing the eBay listing was the box. When I was scouring Ebay for vintage Shalimar throughout this past week, I found myself gravitating towards the oldest bottle I could find that I could definitively date, rather than the one with the darkest color I could find. I, like you, do not care for light concentrations and am not a fan of typical fresh citrusy colognes – but the Guerlain Shalimar cologne of the 60s and early 70s is neither very light nor fresh. (You can expand the photo to full size in a new window by clicking on it, just as you can for most of the photos in this piece.). It’s an amount far below what it’s worth and also far below what I’d put in as a maximum bid. It starts, from left to right, with the 1938-1945 “Flacon de Guerre” war bottle, then the mid-1940s Quadrilobe, the 1952-1970s Parapluie or Umbrella, the 1955-1970s Rosebud or Amphora, and the most common of all, the traditional, signature “bat” or “urn” bottle which has been in use from 1925 until the present day. If someone tells you with categorical certainty that their bottle dates to a specific year or decade, pre-1970s, and they’re not someone who falls into the categories that I’ve listed above, then I think they’re fooling themselves. That does not mean the bottle dates to 1967! In two instances, those changes correspond to when Saint Gobain was in charge of the bottles during the 1980s. The label on all the “Bat” parfum bottles is called “the dolphin;” as a general rule, from 1925 to the mid-1980s (and ignoring a weird exception from 1925-1936 for the “No. These stickers have text in monochrome colouring (just blue or green, for example), Roman/Latin numerals in different locations, and the text ends with the phrase, “magasins de PARIS.”. It’s absolutely a delight beyond words! During a legal battle with a rival company, which cashed in on Shamilar's success and released a perfume with the same name, Guerlain had to replace the perfume's name with its stock number 'No.90' These bottles … If you’re looking for the older versions of vintage Shalimar in the bat bottle, the label should look like this: SIGNS ON THE “BAT” PARFUM BOTTLE ITSELF — BASE STEM & BASE MARKINGS: A one-word “Shalimar” name could still be an early 1980s Saint Gobain bottle, so if you’re looking for something older, then you have to turn to other clues yielded by the bottle. Those two also bear a paper stamp, but lettering is so fine that they seem to be etched in acid. Happy hunting, Anne! In the 1970s, both the look of the stamp and the method that was used engrave the letters changed. For reference my review is based on the perfume versions in the photograph above. Ever. Haha, you don’t want to know how long it took in terms of days and hours. The Guerlain batch dating pages are back! I’m going to read your review again and will report back when I have gathered my thoughts. I’m afraid there is nothing to indicate that the one you bought is an Avion bottle but, honestly, it really doesn’t matter so long as one gets a really aged juice in a Marly box — which you did. It’s certainly not the parfum but everytime I wear it I am impressed all over again with how *not* cologne the Guerlain colognes (at least Shalimar, Chant d’Aromes, LHB and Chamade) of the 60s were. Shalimar Wimble is a British Other. Are you tempted to go after some even older versions now? There also appears to be a small sticker on the back of the bottle that reads “No. Thank you so much for this EXTREMELY helpful dissertation on vintage Shalimar! Thank you for all of your hard work and research! I've tried dating them online but have had questions as I can't seem to find exact "fits". If it doesn’t have “fat feet” or a chunky, stubby stem, you can be more confident that it’s 1962 to roughly 1978 (or 1981), and, hey, that’s a pretty good about of dating specificity to have from just some inches, right? Unfortunately I can’t tell you more than that with any certainty or specificity. (As a side note, this label analysis only applies to the Bat parfum bottles. LOL. Sources from left to right: 1) Etsy seller, Odona; 2) Pinterest; and 3) eBay seller, sam_in_barbate. That stem is a tell-tale giveaway of a newer bottle by Saint Gobain, and is a dating factor that I’ve relied on a lot. On the other hand, there are signs that point to the 1960s or perhaps even before. anywhere from 1948 to 1978, and quite possibly beyond. Also, you may want to check Part II of this series to see if your bottle, its shape, and its design resemble my 1990s EDT bottle shown there (with the blue plastic cap). Shalimar was created in 1925. Not just for Shalimar, but for a number of the Guerlain parfums. Photo: my own. Compare the look of my Marly boxes in the photo right below — focusing on the size of the horse, its location, and even the colour of the boxes themselves — with the ones in the two photos that come right after it, and I think you’ll be able to see the differences: Marly Horse presentation boxes for vintage L’Heure Bleue and Shalimar parfums. Use the search links I provided at the end of the post, Mary. It is not easy for women to find a good man, and to be honest it is not easy for a man to find a good woman. Forgive me if I missed this. Thank you, Andre. VITS Shalimar, Ankleshwar accepts these cards and reserves the right to temporarily hold an amount prior to arrival. Ahhhh I have realized a years-long dream. What then? Shalimar Eau De Toilette also smells like a vanity box that is filled with pristine white evening gloves as well as silver cigarette holders because it is from another time and era. I also bought another bottle with very little juice from another seller for 14.99, I figure it was a throw-away investment, about what I would pay for a decant anyway. I haven’t opened it yet (will do in the morning so I can enjoy it ALL DAY), but I can smell it a bit from afar and I am all giddy. The fact that quite a few of the purple boxes (in any size) on eBay come with the “zebra” black and white outer casing is particularly telling to me as evidence against a 1930s-1950s time frame. But what if the liquid colour is just like that in every other bottle out there? Vintage Shalimar Parfum over the decades. I encourage you to read her post in full, but I’ll share one photo that I found to be particularly effective in demonstrating the differences between two seemingly similar 15 ml extrait bottles, both bearing a simple “Shalimar” label. I’m glad you enjoyed the posts. I’m so glad you could figure out the age of the bottle. Shalimar Wimble and John Terry had an encounter in Mar 2005.. About. Andre. Too much turkey. What an INCREDIBLE resource you just gave us, Kafka. The price range seems to be roughly $150-$250. Check details on bottle and box to know the exact date. Starting in 1936, Shalimar came in a round, disk shaped eau de cologne bottle with a cone shaped stopper. Saint Gobain des Jonqueres seemed to take over the production of the “bat” bottles from 1981 to 1986. I share your interpretation and take on the factice situation. (Click on photo to expand in new window in full size.). So, today, we’ll spend quite a bit of time on the bottle designs for vintage Shalimar, their history, their appearance, their packaging, their differences, and the methods used to try to date the bottles. The second type is a black leather pouch. Thank you for the kind words on the reviews, but also for the link. Or what if there are no box photos, no packaging information, and zero information on the age of the bottle? Maybe an update.. My experience is that many sellers don't actually know much about the perfumes they … I also have the sense that they made bottles more often for Shalimar’s non-“bat” shapes in those years. [UPDATE cont’d: according to the Raiders‘s article, it turns out that the sticker shown in the second photo above, the one with the word “Belgique” in it, probably dates from the 1930s to late 1940s. It is. Thank you for the kind words on the research. Be that as it may, at least the height measurements can give you a general idea of when your bottle was produced. Thank you very much for your comments. Make of that what you will. Guy here. ). The situation with Cristal Romesnil and Pochet et du Courval is interesting. I’d lost a previous 4.2 oz bottle when I’d been unwilling to go above $225, and I’d been willing to go that high for this one because the juice in this was loads darker. They looked like little jewels! Vintage Moon Drops, Crepe de Chine, Mimzy, Replique, Coty L' Origin, Miss Dior, Jovan Musk for Women - my search knew no bounds (which may be why I ended up with 2 full bottles of Shania which I would gladly send you if you are a fan). White with blue writing and often a number in a square within? Pingback: A Guide to Vintage Shalimar - Part I: The Parfum (1950s, 1960s, 1970s & 1980s) - Kafkaesque, Pingback: A Guide to Vintage Shalimar - Part II: EDT, PdT & EDP (1970s-1990s) - Kafkaesque. You’re more than welcome, On Wings of Saffron. Ah well, too late now! Dating ink bottles - Register and search over 40 million singles: matches and more. Its official name is the “Flacon Chauve Souris.” From the 1920s to the late 1970s, it was manufactured by three different companies. anywhere from 1962 to 1978, and quite possibly beyond. Hi Nataly, if the box is a zigzag one, then the fragrance dates to sometime between 1967 and 1983/1984. Hi Jondedo, welcome to the blog. The Pochet ones seem, comparatively speaking, to be more common, and I think I may have come across a few of their “bat” bottles, usually from things that are estimated to be 1960s or 1970s in age. I become so reluctant to use it up that I often end up not wearing it at all. It was actually a presentation box, not a type of bottle or bottle design, but the word seems to have developed into some sort of short-hand code for an ultra special, ultra magnificent version of Shalimar parfum. Is the number one destination for online dating with more relationships than any other dating or personals site. Collage: my own. pre-1968) bottles simply by looking at the “dolphin” label on the front. Question: Are the bottles with the labels on the bottom all before a certain year? In retrospect, some of the listings with the darker color were quite a bit less expensive (though they *were* 1/3 fl oz instead of 1/2 fl oz…), and probably did date to the 60s or so, and so maybe I should have gone with one of those. The simplest and easiest starting point when it comes to vintage Shalimar is to look at the actual label on the bottle itself. B.) Officially, its name is the “Montre” or “Watch” bottle, but a some people call it “the disk bottle” because it has a round, disk-like shape topped by a pointy, conical, glass stopper. Then I fell in love with Shalimar Light, and while cruising ebay, found a 7.5ml mini bottle of Shalimar parfum de toilette and snagged it for the unbelievable bargain price of $10, with free shipping, thinking that perhaps a vintage version might be more wearable for me. Check details on bottle and box to know the exact date. This design was used for other Guerlain parfums as well, like L’Heure Bleue or Mitsouko. With regard to the link, attempts to pull up the photo or listing on my phone didn’t work unfortunately as it only gave me a page to set up /open an Etsy account. By the way: the little Présentation Avion cardbox (which one can see on the picture you posted from the Basenotes member) contained a crystal stopper -that’s what the writing on it says! And you know how I know that? Out of those, roughly 70-80 would be for the pure parfum, sometimes far more. One cannot infer from that that Guerlain actually stopped making the bottle entirely after 1978. I created two tables for you, but I’m hopeless with HTML/CSS coding (and WordPress screws up whatever I did learn about cell borders or width), so please forgive the look of the following: 1964 onwards, changed in 1978 to register as 15 ml, so dates are 1964-1978 and quite possibly beyond. There is a clear sticker on the bottom that says 1 oz, 75008, Made in Paris.The sticker on the side is blue and gold and in excellent shape. Sorry. From what I’ve read, I have the sense that they were intended as a travel case or for the purse. They really clarify the description given by The Perfume Magazine and show how exactly this “avion” format differs from the Marly Horse purple packaging: The box was slightly different in the fact that instead of laying down inside the box, the bottle would stand up snugly inside a small plinth, in which the box lid would slip over making a cover. About reviewer (185 reviews) Age 30-35. In addition, the design suddenly looks more elaborate, and the location of the horse stamp has dropped closer towards the middle of the lid. Sorry for the scare. Sigh, I should never comment anywhere that doesn’t have an edit or delete button! Photo from Angelairas Perfumes, originally from Basenotes member “ayelfior.”. That is obviously a factor which will impact how much you want to spend, or even if you want to buy the bottle to begin with. Could that be an indicator of age? If the 1960s one is bigger in ml size and darker in juice, it may be just as good FOR YOUR PERSONAL WAY of using fragrances as the 1950s. http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-MITSOUKO-by-Guerlain-extrait-2-x-7ml-boxed-perfume-/322338820374?txnId=1678834478011. However, it has a red and blue sticker with Roman numerals in the bottom righthand corner and contains the phrase “en Province,” which Raiders lists as 1930s-1940s. I really enjoy the leathery woody scent of this. The stamp is there, with 44 printed as part of the stamp, but I can see a very faint 20 in the white area. Bottle … Jan 12, 2019 - Explore Bonnie Val's board "Guerlain Perfume" on Pinterest. : Born John George Terry on 7th December, 1980 in Barking, London, England, UK, he is famous for Chelsea F.C. May your fabled eBay luck continue to hold strong. Perhaps the “HP” logo in earlier decades was etched in acid. Don’t limit your searches simply to “vintage” Shalimar, either. If you’ve really and truly fallen in love, I should warn you that vintage Shalimar can turn into quite an obsession, a persistent madness that won’t give up its grip on you. If, as I’ve observed at least 9 times in the last few weeks, an eBay seller says that the bottle is “roughly 4 inches high” or “roughly 5 inches high,” then you can ask them to measure it precisely, then plug-in the Guerlain Perfumes blog numbers to get a rough time frame for your bottle. The first type seems to be the most frequent, a purple flocked velvet box. As Laura stated up above, trying to pass off the real thing as a dummy fake would be the reverse of the usual process. There were three reasons why I put aside the whole 1970s possibility and bought the bottle anyway. I have no idea how old this bottle is, and the age signs are extremely confusing. Be that as it may, it seems to be quite popular from what I’ve read. Shalimar “Rosebud” or “Amphora” bottle, said to be 1950s. Without those bits of information, it’s really hard to say which one might be better. Born John George Terry on 7th December, 1980 in Barking, London, England, UK, he is famous for Chelsea F.C. brown-and-white presentation boxes for these other bottle styles — the ones that showed animals, men, and the reaping of the harvest — were just as old as the bat bottle’s purple velvet boxes, and, in some cases, had the “Marly horse” logo as well. But information is both power and money saved, and once you get the hang of the basics, I think you’ll be whipping through eBay in no time. Do you know which decade they produced this bottle with the plastic top? je me présente avec les parôle Dating Perfume Shalimar Bottles de cette merveilleuse chanson ! Do you know anything about it ? I found one great bottle where the word “vintage” was not mentioned anywhere in either its title listing or in the text description. If it was, then fragrance dates to the latter’s 1967-1983 time frame, not before. The most famous and instantly recognisable bottle for Shalimar parfum is one whose shape is compared to a “bat” or to an “urn,” and that signature design has been in use straight from the fragrance’s debut until the present day without major modification. It is a wee bit pricey though When I began doing my research to find out why my mother’s 1950s bottle was so stupendous and earth-shattering in its richness (see Part I), the first thing I learnt is that vintage Shalimar parfum is not some uniform beast and that age really makes a difference. Photo & bottles: my own. Love the stuff.) That’s it. Dear Kafka I would like to ask you a question ,have you weighed your 4,2oz shalimar ? Narrow, concave bottle stems = all years up to the late 1970s, and best; Saint Gobain, chunky squats stems, and fat feet = not so good. (However, I’ve seen eBay rosebud bottles that have reportedly been made by a different company, Verreries Brosse.) The Shalimar is a later eau de toilette. The Marly Horse bottles specifically. Yet, the one and only bit of information that the seller provided was its measurement, and even that was just a rough estimate, somewhere around 4″ (inches) from stopper to base. If you focus too much on the look of the presentation box or whether it has a horse on it, you may miss out on a truly fantastic bottle of fragrance. Photo: my own. It’s an innocuous looking list with a seemingly mundane set of minutiae and I initially thought it was quite irrelevant, scrolling quickly past it each time I saw it during the last two months, but something suddenly clicked in my head this weekend: what if I could use the height measurements to not only figure out the amount of juice in each bottle, but also, in a few cases, the general age of the bottle? I hope she won’t mind me using a few of them, and will accept my thanks.
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